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Crawford News
March 29, 2008
3:09 pm
Tim.R
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Lots of MUD!  (too much for fun fast riding)  Snow starts a little past Connector.  Someone has cleared most of the fallen trees from the main trails – Thanks!

April 14, 2008
11:55 am
Chuck D
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Rode Crawford on Sat the 12th – trails are in great shape, very little mud, FOSS has done a great job of clearing – even way out on race Classic. BEST NEWS OF ALL – there are hundreds of small pine seedlings about 18 inches high in many areas especailly around Teddy bear junction. Very exciting to see some new life there. In a few years, it will feel a lot different in there with little 3 and 4 foot pines to zip through. Chuck

 

April 29, 2008
9:08 am
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April 28

Super Tacky, not muddy.

Remaining downed trees on Vapour ( below race classic) have been cleared.

anyone been down Vapour from the KVR? Last fall is was a mess.

April 29, 2008
7:11 pm
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KVR to approx 1km down has about 12-15 trees down. A few a big ‘uns. Spoke to BC Parks lady on Sat pm she is going up there to remove the windfall. Not much fun for the first 1km. Rest is fine, we cleared all the smaller trees.

Saturday – had 8" snow for the first 0/5 KM then patchy for the next 0.5 km. Should be fine for this weekend. Trails had mud/slime spots in places but on the whole super tacky conditions.

May 24, 2008
8:41 am
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Rode up Crawford the other day, well a couple times now. Something I haven't done in a few years. Been sticking to the big bike and other areas. It was pretty fun and brought back memories of the early days. Anyway on the first ride I found Natasha to have many downed trees on the upper and the trail is pretty overgrown. Came out of that with a lot of scratches. Yesterday I rode up Lost Lake to Outhouse Trail. Just past the turn to Grassy I was about to go back into the trees and noticed a Black Bear peering at me from the field to the right. It watched me for a few and then dropped to his feet and disappeared. Didn't seem to concerned. I couldn't see where it went so I opted to go back a little and go down Grassy. Trails are in good condition with a few muddy spots. And I wish people had to pick up after their Horses like they do with dogs! And remember to watch the Bears.

July 30, 2008
7:30 pm
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As of last night Vapour from Out House to Pink Hwy was cleared by Mike kittmer, Laurens Campbell, Lee Mackay and St Evans. Also cleared Grassy, Lost Lake from Teddy Bear to Out House and Fair Lane from Teddy Bear to Pink Hwy.

On Fair Lane there are a few huge tree that couldn't be cleared so caution is required. 

Vapour was ripped tonight to test and evidence has been obtained that Vapour is most certainly a) clear and b) rad.

July 31, 2008
8:49 am
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WBB was out in full force for the 3rd wednesday in a row.  We cleared the bottom of Race Classic and Hillbilly. 

August 26, 2008
9:48 am
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On the weekend, my wife and I were visiting Kelowna and rode in Crawford for the first time since the fires. We used to ride there all the time, so it was bittersweet to see the damage, and weird to recognize some things but not others — such a changed landscape. The fireweed and new undergrowth was beautiful, even with the burnt matchstick trees in most sections.

Anyway, we went up past Flamingo Flats, then across on that overgrown connector to Hillbilly, so we just got the little bit of Hillbilly above the Race Classic. For a while after crossing the Race Classic, the trail was in decent condition, but the blowdown just got worse and worse as we continued. Around the junction with the Earring Trail, we were getting off our bikes constantly. So I wouldn't recommend anyone doing the bottom section of Hillbilly until it's been cleared.

September 25, 2008
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Most double track cleared.  Pink Highway Still has some obstructions, but the blow down is cut back.  I rode Natasha and Bullwinkle and it was horrible.  I had to pack my bike over and under too many trees.   

Bullets.. My only weakness.
April 4, 2009
11:01 pm
toonces
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Has anyone been to up there yet?

Bullets.. My only weakness.
April 6, 2009
7:21 am
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Rode lost lake up to connector Sat and Sun, pretty muddy with snow above connector.Connector is still really rough with quite a few trees down. But still great fun.

May 4, 2009
6:09 pm
toonces
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Blown down in three places on Lost Lake above Grassy to Swap Thing.  Swap Thing to Doc Savage clear.  Race Classic from Lone Pine clear.  Klassen is impassable.  Pink Hwy open. 

Bullets.. My only weakness.
May 4, 2009
8:48 pm
Andrew McIntosh
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Did some clearing today.

hiked up earing to big drops then up vapor to that blown over tree, then back down connector to rocky screach……all clear.

Keep posting and i'll clear more.

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July 7, 2009
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2 face-smash-level trees down on connector just below the first rocky/steep/ loose section.

another large one down just past the entrance off pink highway.

July 13, 2009
9:39 pm
toonces
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Lower section of Vapor trail below Race Classic needs someone with a chain saw to pay attention to it.

Bullets.. My only weakness.
July 14, 2009
10:46 am
Chuck D
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Having ridden a lot in Crawford and encountered countless deadfall both on Pink highway and trails like Reace Classic, it begs a question. Would it not be less work in the long run for FOSS and mtbco.ca to clear most of the trailside deadfall once and for all as opposed to the constant clearing than needs to be done.

I am not suggesting a clear cut but the burnt trees will fall, if we cleared 20 to 30 feet of the trails especially on the Pink Highway, it could result in a clearer, safer trail that is much easier to maintain……..

Chuck

July 14, 2009
11:03 pm
toonces
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All the trees in badly burnt areas will eventually blow down, so you're correct they should be cut back.  It will save time and money.  

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July 15, 2009
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Andrew McIntosh
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For sure…but

Chainsaw gas isn't free

bar oil isn't free

gas to get there isn't free

And worst of all, the carbon from the burnt trees eats the shit out of your saw as it's highly acidic.  When you pay $500+ for a saw, you want it to stay around for a while.

It's hard enough for out 800 or so supporters to caugh up the 25$ to become members let alone getting thousands of dollars in grant money needed to buy and maintain chainsaws.

mtbco, foss and even the government arn't in a position to take on something like that…..not in a recession.

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July 16, 2009
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You can get good quality folding handsaws that fit in your backpack or camel back.We take one when we go dirtbiking.We have cut up to a 8-10inch tree with one.A little work but if its just a tree or 2 or something small you could cut it out during a ride.Alot of people doing a little is alot easier then a few doing alot.

July 16, 2009
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Chuck D
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Fair enough. It is a bigger project. I just feel that it would be better use of time than whoever has to constantly drag up a saw and clear the deadfall every week. That takes more time and money in the long run as it is a band aid solution.

My theory is that by properly clearing the trees adjacent to the main trail(s), you would eliminate the danger of constant deadfall. Someone will get hit one day by a tree.

I figure if the city considers putting $6 million into concrete pontoons for yachts that a few hundred dollars and some elbow grease wouldn't break the bank. However, I do understand that it is a bigger project and time and money are the real issues.

Sometimes it is better to fix up what you have than spend money on new projects.

Thanks for your input!

Chuck

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